All Things Astros and a whole lot more
Chip and Dan introduce a new category of entries today on chipalatta.com. With football season close to the kickoff and an I-10 battle between the Texans and Saints this weekend, today’s point/counterpoint features a faceoff.
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Today’s point/counterpoint: Which commissioner is more hated by which fan base – Bud Selig by the Houston fans or Roger Goodell by the New Orleans fans?
Dan P: No doubt, it’s Selig.
I think both fan bases of Houston and New Orleans have good reason to hate the mlb commissioner and the NFL commissioner respectively. I think the difference between the two situations is the difference between chronic pain and acute pain.
Bud Selig has been a long term chronic pain in the “Asstros”. He can be rightfully blamed for conspiring with his evil minion – Drayton McLane – to have the Astros follow his draft spot slotting for paying or in many cases, not paying draft picks. Of course Drayton took it even farther by having his GMs not even attempt to draft picks that he deemed would expect too much moola. Bud also had us open the stadium roof for the World Series sweep after the team had swept thru the first two playoff rounds with it closed. And he forced us to play a crucial post-Ike home series against the Cubs in their own backyard of Milwaukee. Oh….and he put forth the plan that forced the Astros into the American League.
On the other hand (as far as I know) Roger Goodell has hacked off the Crescent City quickly and deeply relative to one situation – the practical one season death penalty for the team in 2012 due to the Bounty-gate scandal. While I don’t condone paying players extra to inflict injuries on the opponents, the fact that 4 player suspensions were overturned shows that maybe the evidence was not that air tight. Either way – losing your defensive coordinator (forever), coach (whole season), GM (8 games) and interim head coach (6 games) and having the turmoil hanging around the team – basically torpedoed the whole season.
In the end I think the Astros’ fans have more reason for their hate – but that football being what it is – the Saints ire is more passionate and voracious.
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Chip: Sorry, Dan, Roger Goodell single-handedly killed a season. And Saints’ fans can’t overlook that fact.
Yes, Bud Selig has been a thorn in the side of Houston and its fans for several years. Sort of like a little chihuhua nipping at your pant legs.
But it’s Goodell who, with one sudden rash of rulings, lowered the death knell on the Saints’ hopes of returning to the Super Bowl in 2012. The player suspensions were significant — though overturned later in the season — but it was the suspension of head coach Sean Payton that sealed the deal for the Saints’ poor season.
Was there a problem in the Saints’ organization and the so-called bounty scandal? Perhaps, but even Paul Tagliabue, who overturned the suspensions, said the penalties were handed down based on “talk” prior to games, not on on-field actions.
In his report, Tagliabue wrote: “”It is essential to recognize that Vilma is being most severely disciplined for ‘talk’ or speech at a team meeting on the evening before the Saints-Vikings game. He is not being punished for his performance on the field and, indeed, none of the discipline of any player here relates to on-field conduct.”
Tagliabue allowed some of the penalties to stand, including draft picks in 2012 and 2013 and the suspensions of Payton and GM Mickey Loomis.
But perhaps more than the penalties themselves, the stigma may stretch beyond 2012.
I’m no fan of how Selig has related to the Astros, but Goodell’s unprecedented decision on the Saints will leave a sour taste in Saints’ fans for years to come.
Which commissioner is the most hated?